User talk:Stephan3321

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Could use some help
I tried to create a new page for a series that is not on here as of yet. It seems it created it but I can not place it in the right area. I'm not sure I did it right. Can you please assist me in correcting this and advising on what to do for future endeavors. Thank you, Page created is "2017 Camouflage series" Thank you Andrew Newcomer ANDREW NEWCOMER (talk) 10:29, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the series! Awesoke job! Welkom to the Wiki. Have fun editing. Feel free to ask me anything ;) (talk) 13:36, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, ANDREW NEWCOMER. Do you mean this series: Camouflage Series? That already exists. If you want to add the year 2017, just make a new header on that page with  and copy the table from your page. I will make sure tjat the other page gets deleted ;).


 * On a related note, the Camoflamage 5-pack was renamed, when it shouldn't have been. I didn't know how to fix it. Could you? Or is that administrative level stuff? And on that note, I was disappointed to see your administrator status revoked. I thought only the one who promoted you could demote you? And since he's also a bureaucrat, I don't think you could have blocked him. Good luck on getting your status reinstated. Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 17:40, August 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, you should be able to rename the page, even without administrator abilities. But if you still have problem with it, I am more than willing to do it for you. I was really surprised too to see that. I also don't know why HaarFager demoted me. Apparently every admin can demote you, since Brad didn't do it. I already asked Brad on his blog to re-instate me as admin, but no response. I also left a message on This is a Test 86's page (since he's an admin too, I noticed?). HaarFager and This is a Test 86 aren't online that much. Maybe you can ask This is a test 86 too to re-instate me as admin? I also thought about asking you to become an admin, since you seem to know a lot about the functions of the Wiki and about our collectible cars. But, I can't do that know ha-ha. I also wanted to remove the achievement for categorizing, since that function seems to be easily fooled. Welkom to the Wiki. Have fun editing. Feel free to ask me anything ;) (talk) 21:17, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Question
I noticed you changed the heading on the Hot Wheels Wiki homepage from "x number" registered users to something else. It had been that way for over 10 years. Why did you change it? Kenny HaarFager (talk) 17:32, August 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Why did it change? Have you never noticed it said "as of 2006"? We are in 2017 now. Who cares how many pages/users we had in 2006..?Stephan3321 (talk) 17:28, August 5, 2017 (UTC)

Stop ChangingThings
Stop changing things just for the sake of change! It is not something that needs to be done on the Hot Wheels Wiki. This is your first warning. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 17:00, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * You are not going to give me a warning without telling what I am 'doing wrong'... Stephan3321 (talk) 17:29, August 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * This is your second warning. Any user that knows how to navigate this wiki would find it easy to figure out what I was talking about. But to spell it out for those that are "Wiki Challenged," you changed the whole wording on the homepage to something that wasn't needed. As an Administrator, I have to keep this wiki focused. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 23:27, August 5, 2017 (UTC)

Unnecessary categories for Tampos
Hello Again, I've noticed User:Julthep has created a plethora of categories for the Tampos themed around various auto parts companies, such as Greddy, T Tein, etc. Is that really necessary? I mean, those castings normally only have one or two releases with said Tampo theme on them anyways. --JDM My Ride (talk) 01:55, August 2, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年八月一日星期二


 * Hi. Yes, I though about that. On one hand I would say it indeed is unnecessary. On the other hand, for some collectors it could be useful. For example people who only collect models with Mooneyes tampos or GReddy... A special page for those models is also a bit too much. I would love to hear your opinion. Stephan3321 (talk) 08:46, August 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, allow me to use something you said about one of my edits as precedent for my case.

When for the Time Attaxi Casting I inserted information about the Hong Kong Taxi's colour-by-area-served- system and even provided a link to the site from the Hong Kong Government on this topic, you deleted it saying quote " color-coding is not really important since the HW model could have all the colors in the world "  That being said, it can also be that way for Tampos, couldn't it? I had an idea, maybe create a category or page that broadly covers all these special corporate-livery cars and then sorts them into a table(S) for the different Companies, such as Tein, Greddy, ADVAN, etc.? --JDM My Ride (talk) 15:09, August 2, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年八月日二星期三


 * Good point. I indeed think it's best to create a page with these often-used brands. This could be simply one page named "Special Liveries" or something. We could make headings for each often-used livery (i.e. Gulf, Stein, GReddy, Mooneyes). Then a table listing the model, color and an image. Stephan3321 (talk) 06:58, August 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Creating a page to cover all of these unneeded categories would be better. More pages with more information is always better for researchers who are looking for something. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 16:52, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for adding the default sort back to the Deora II page! I had initially added it back in 2008 and the user known as Lamborghinilp700-4 came along and removed it, along with all the categories in 2015. I hadn't noticed that it had been removed. So, thanks again for adding it! Kenny HaarFager (talk) 21:26, July 19, 2017 (UTC)

Help Indentifying
Were the cars from the General Mills series Hot Wheels like the others were? I cannot find these anywhere. Joelfg (talk) 00:33, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * Could you make a photo from the base? Stephan3321 (talk) 06:13, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * At first I thought it belonged to TRC Diecast, but the company was not formed until 2013 and went out of business last year. These were from 2008. I am now assuming that they are not given there is no Mattel or Hot Wheels designation, but thought I might be missing something. Bottomcar.jpg Joelfg (talk) 06:36, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * If you Google this: "trc diecast stockcar" you'll find some cars that are the same aa yours. Stephan3321 (talk) 13:04, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * I tried that before and found some of the same thing, but the TRC Diecast company didn't exist until 5 years after these cars were produced. I would like to believe that it is theirs, but there is no explaining the 5 year gap. Also, after more investigating, the company itself, has never done anything smaller than 1/43 scale. Joelfg (talk) 00:46, February 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * I re-Googled them and I think they are Richard Petty's. Google for "richard petty diecast cereal". It seems they were used in cereal cartons. Stephan3321 (talk) 16:44, February 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Because I am enthralled with this answer now, I sent an email to General Mills asking about it. I will let you know what I find out.  At the same time I noticed General Mills which is why I have the confusion. Joelfg (talk) 03:53, February 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * When they answer your email, please keep me up to date. I'm curious now! Stephan3321 (talk) 06:13, February 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sadly, they never returned the email after multiple attempts. Joelfg (talk) 18:54, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Table Question
Hi! Thank you for the message you left on my page! I would like to ask a question as a response. I have noticed a difference in two tables on this wiki and I have been using the only that looks incomplete, the one that only has lines going across the screen. How do I get a proper table? Like the ones used on Hot Wheels cars pages? Like for example, Grass Chomper. I am getting my table by clicking "insert" then "table", but I must be doing something wrong. Any help would be terrific! Thank you!


 * Hi, what I always do is copy the table from a new (normal) casting. Why a new casting? They have one row, which saves me time deleting the info in that row. To be honest, the "insert table" feature is not the easiest to tackle. I have experienced that it is much faster copying and already existing table.Stephan3321 (talk) 08:37, April 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, I just tried it out on the 2017 Monster Jam Series and it worked great! Thank you so much for your help, and when I get the time, I will redo all the pages that look incomplete! Thanks again. HotWheelsNEWS


 * Awesome, keep up the good work! Stephan3321 (talk) 06:18, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Pics
I don't think anything has changed in regards to using Mattel's copyrighted pictures from the Hot Wheels website. We're not supposed to do that.This is a test 86 (talk) 05:19, April 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Those images are not watermarked and free available on the web. Next to that, they offer some of the best quality images you can find of models for which nobody takes good enough photos. These are the reasons I upload them; they are consistent and of high quality. Stephan3321 (talk) 06:12, April 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just because you're able to download and save those images does not mean that they are allowed to be used here. Even without watermarks, they are still copyrighted by Mattel. Do you have permission from the owner to use them? Please do not add these pics on the wikia. This is a test 86 (talk) 23:39, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Help Identifying
I have a 2008 Lancer Evolution, HW Race Team, 6/10. The back and code is in the style of 2017 (no QR code) and has no collector number (like a Treasure Hunt or Exclusive car) It is in the 2016 set, but not this paint job. Any clues? Joelfg (talk) 18:14, April 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, it appears that your Lancer is a 2017 Kmart exclusive model ([]). Stephan3321 (talk) 18:19, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

Edit Overload
I apologize for going on an edit spree today that lasted me upwards of 2 hours. I am sorry if I swamped the recent activity thread. (I had time to kill and lots of it) I know you're an admin and your job is make sure edits are accurate, and I went berserk like a runaway train of edits. I decided to categorize and some other edits as you have probably seen some of. I hope I helped, but I am sorry if my runaway editing takes up your time. --JDM My Ride (talk) 18:26, April 30, 2017 (UTC) 二千十七年四月三十日星期日


 * Your edits are okay! It's good to see that people care about this Wiki. I would like to ask you to continue with your edits ;). I do not check every edit done, especially not when they are just categorizing edits. Keep up the good work! Stephan3321 (talk) 07:14, May 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your understanding. On a side note, as I categorize based off market, may I undertake the endeavor of creating a category for American cars?

--JDM My Ride (talk) 21:49, May 1, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年五月一日星期一


 * Please do! You're making good edits! Stephan3321 (talk) 19:49, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

This is a Test 86
Hello again. User:This is a test 86 has undone my categorization for the Lumina Stocker and placed it in the category for American Carswhen the Lumina was actually assembled in Canada. His arguement being and I quote from his talk page: ''You're doing it again. We don't need random categories for where cars are assembled. It's barely pertinent to Hot Wheels itself. You are confusing Hot Wheels with real cars. The Lumina is a Chevy, and one produced for the American market, therefore an American car. This is a test 86 (talk) 03:32, May 4, 2017 (UTC)''

I carefully explained to him that Lumina was produced solely at the Oshawa plant in Ontario with the exceptions being the first Generation 4-door model and the last generation of Lumina. Is the categoriy for the nationality of car a violation of wikia policy? The editing guidelines don't say so, I just want to confirm whether my edits are actually permitted or not. Also, User:This is a test 86 placed the Lumina Stocker in the "Category:American Cars" after saying that if the car is intended for the US Market, then it's an American car. That logic makes no sense at all. the Honda Civic Si (2006) is a US-market car. (the SI badge is only used in North America at current), but does that make the Si Civic American? It's assembled in Japan and shipped across the Pacific to US shores, therefopre it is not American. The Lumina was assembled in Canada, therefor is Canadian.

I also quoted the page Hot Wheels Wiki:Administrators in my message to him this morning on the subject of Admin responsibilities and rules: ''Administrator powers should be used to help keep the wiki clear of vandalism, spam, and users who make malicious edits, but not for simple disagreements between users acting in good faith. Ideally an admin shouldn't be considered "in charge". The ideal admin is just someone who is trusted to have a few extra buttons and to use them for the benefit of the Wikia community.'' --JDM My Ride (talk) 14:52, May 4, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年五四月日星期四


 * Hi, I understand your point. I will look into it! I will see what I can do and will formulate an opinion about this topic. I'll keep you updated. Stephan3321 (talk) 20:39, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Also, should there be a category for cars that were assembled in both Canada and the US as a disambiguation of sorts? Because of political agreements made between My country and the US in the 1950s and early '60s, some models are assembled on both sides of the border, but this has changed a bit due to the US policy changes and Canada's industry changing as well. --JDM My Ride (talk) 21:41, May 4, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年五四月日星期四


 * Let's straighten some things out. First and foremost, the Lumina Stocker is a stock car version that would never have rolled off a Canadian assembly line or any other to be exact. This would have been hand built. Second, the Chevy Lumina is a car made by an American company made in Canada to be sold in the US. Therefore it is an American car. A car made in Japan by a Japanese company and sold in the US is still a Japanese car. A car made in the US by a Japanese company and sold in the US is still a Japanese car. The Lumina is an American car by virtue of it being made by an American company for sale in the US. Third, one does need permission from anyone to create categories. All these categories people are making are straying too far from the point. All we need are categories of where cars are from based on where the parent companies are based out of. There are some small exceptions though. This is not one of them. This is a test 86 (talk) 23:03, May 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * The fact it was a car assembled in Canada makes the car Canadian. You just said so yourself if a Car is assembled in Japan for the American Market, then it is still Japanese. A car assembled in Canada for the US (And Canadian) market therefor classifies as Canadian. Also, a stock car is modified, not entirely built by hand, the bodywork and chassis comes from the factory. Even a 'white body' chassis- one selected at the factory for racing homologation still comes form the factory. Also, with the logic of the parent company's base dictating the nationality of the vehicle, then cars never sold in the US, such as Ford's European MK I Capri, Escort and the Australian-market XB, XC and XA Falcons which are not American at all, would be classified as American cars. --JDM My Ride (talk) 23:15, May 4, 2017 (UTC) 二千十七年五四月日星期四


 * I did not say that at all. You're not understanding me. A car assembled in Japan for America is still Japanese by virtue of it being made by a Japanese parent company. A car assembled in America by a Japanese parent company is still Japanese by virtue of it being made by a Japanese parent company.


 * Let me try to simplify this. A car made by an American company for USDM regardless of where it was manufactured is American. A car made by a Japanese company for USDM regardless of where it was manufactured is Japanese. Ford European cars are an exception since those divisions were autonomous units of Ford.This is a test 86 (talk) 23:29, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

If we are going to debate design and engineering, then the Volkswagen Golf GTI counts as Italian, because the styling was done by Ital Design in Italy, Pinnanferrina did the design for the French Peugeot 205, but even though the design was done by the Italians, it's a French car. Another example, the Delorean, which was again, Italian designed and engineered, but made in Northern Ireland. Also, the Lumina was not Exclusive to the US, there are still a few on the roads here in Canada. Also, the 1974 Brazilian Dodge Charger was engineered in the US, but due to Brazilian law, assembled there and in the casting name itself, the car is Brazilian. Same logic goes for the Chevrolet SS, desigjne dby Opel, but again, Brazilian built. --JDM My Ride (talk) 23:31, May 4, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年五四月日星期四

Re: Renault Sport R.S. 01
What are you talking about "Please do not mess up pages" ? I always fix the pages so they are clear, concise, and easy to read. I know what I'm doing. The whole layout of the site is jacked up and convoluted from so many people editing stuff and leaving things everywhere with no rhyme or reason. The descriptions from the cardbacks belong in, oh I dunno, THE DESCRIPTION CATEGORY. I integrate them in there with the proper "Description" header as well. I've spent a lot of time helping you out on tidying this site up for the last 4 years, and you just undo everything of mine because you think I'm some troll? You shouldn't be an admin when you have no idea on how to neatly format a page so it looks attractive, organized, and easy to understand. Combing through your edit history, I see you also like to remove other people's credible information as well (like on the Fairlady 2000 page) for no reason, so it seems I am not the first helpful veteran user to be affected by this. I suggest you hire a janitor for the site with experienced web design skills to clean up the pages and lay them out how they are supposed to be and not blindly remove relavent information. SeberHusky 07:54, June 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * First of al calm down. Second, this is the first time you notify me about 'some discomfort' so act as a normal person. Third of all, is you took the time to check other pages, you would have seen that the cardback description has its own place on the page: below the table. The layout of the site is not jacked up. You have to learn to understand the layout. The Description part of the page is for a small description about the vehicle: one paragraph with information about the real-life vehicle of design thoughts. There is always a reason why I delete, replace or relocate information. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean I pull it out of thin air. I edit faulty edits, edits that don't respect our layout or that are do not comply with our rules. I suggest that you cool down, read the rules, put some time in investigating the standard layout for new models and try to understand it. Stephan3321 (talk) 10:20, June 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * I have been here for many years, I know the rules and I know how things are supposed to be done. You are the one that doesn't know the rules because I have been editing the pages the way I have always been doing since 2012 and I never had a problem with it until YOU came around. You are not even American, so you have no idea how the English language works or how to even format a page properly on an American site.SeberHusky 22:03, July 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * What does the nationality of an Admin have to do with anything? Another thing is, Stephen3321 is fluent in the English language. The insinuation that because someone is not American that they cannot edit a page can actually be categorized as Racism, which accord to the Editing Rules and Guidelines. Quote:  "Site conduct 

◾Debates will arise from time to time and should be handled in a civil and mature manner. Do not use foul language to prove your point. Keep your comments focused on the topic at hand. Use of bad or abusive language, for any reason on this site is forbidden. This includes your comments, talk page and blog pages. Calling names, vulgar or abusive language and the use of offensive terms will result in an immediate ban. ◾Any vulgar personal attacks towards another user will get you banned from this site."   Also, Description and card backs are treated as separate sections and have been for a considerable amount of time. Just because Stephen3321 is not American does not mean he has no knowledge of the English language. Also, since you mentioned it, what does placing the card-info and the description have to do with Stephen3321's English at all? --JDM My Ride (talk) 22:59, July 2, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年七月二日星期日


 * Thank you Australiancarlover.
 * The function of a Wiki is to make it better together. And together doesn't mean "together with only American people". I can name a few Americans who would do no good to our Wiki, and one is running your country ;) So first of all, your statement doesn't make any sense. So I am just going to ingnore that. Second of all, you started 2012, I did 2013. So saying that you had trouble when I came around is also nonsense, since you began to have "trouble" with me in the last month. A month in which I nearly edited nothing due to busy weeks. So, I would suggest that you adapt to the lay-out of pages, stop discriminating based on language and prevent yourself from being banned. People have been banned for less. You are lucky that I don't like to ban people. But you shouldn't test me... Stephan3321 (talk) 08:08, July 3, 2017 (UTC)

Car Culture-related question
Hello/Bonjour, I have a question I want you to consider for me about Hot Wheels and car culture. In recent years, Hot Wheels has expanded its portfolio of castings to include cars that very well represent the JDM, Australian racing, Import tuner and Truck subcultures and when I was thinking about this, a question arose: What Hot Wheels casting best encapsulates modern youth culture? I will pose this question to a few other contributors on here as well so I can form a better basis on this matter over my own loose basis I have as-is. Thank you/Merci/감사합니다/ありがとう for your time. --JDM My Ride (talk) 18:29, July 6, 2017 (UTC)二千十七年七月六日星期四


 * Hello Australiancarlover, that is a difficult question to answer. It depends on which youth you are looking at. In Holland BMW E30s are popular. But since cars are expensive due to taxes here there are not really "cultures". When we take a look at the new generation YouTube youth, we see that they buy high-performance/super/hyper cars (of which we have to few in the Hot Wheels line-up). It's funny, in the USA and other countries JDM, Imports and Trucks are super popular, but in The Netherlands none of those really stand out. Everyone does its own thing; you like a VW Golf? Drive a Golf. You like a RX-5? Drive that. You saved money for a Lambo? Drive a Lambo! This answer doesn't help you much, but that's how it is in The Netherlands. Stephan3321 (talk) 07:04, July 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, OK you said the modern youths (again, because of my personality, hobbies and generally tendency to be a loner there is a bit of a disconnect with me) like high-performance cars and you are right, JDM is popular here. According to my father, who works in the auto body repair industry, most of the JDM imports are owned by the children of the Asian Diaspora, mostly sons and daughters of the owners of trading firms and supermarkets. Now, over in the Philippines where most of these migrants are from, JDM imports (Provided they receive the LHD Firewall swap) are not uncommon over there, so when they come over here they may buy a JDM import for some summer fun. My conclusion was because of modern youths liking to fit their cars with speakers and the Japanese-styled 'ricers' as they are known have taken the import scene by storm, the car I think could be a good candidate for representing youth culture today would be the Seared Tuner, but I feel that one might be a better representation actually of the tuner culture in Asia. What do you think?

--JDM My Ride (talk) 16:33, July 7, 2017 (UTC) 二千十七年七月七日星期五


 * It is difficult to point to one car which represents the youth. Sure Mad Manga or Seared Tuner might be good for JDM culture. Pagani Huayra, Alpine A110 or Lamborghinis might represent European youth culture. Though Rinspeed Σtos, Lucid Air Alpha, Tesla Model X or other exotic electric car might also represent modern car culture. Stephan3321 (talk) 08:41, July 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, so let me ask you this, in Europe, what kinds of modifications are applied to the cars most youths with the money perform on their cars? I think that should be a good place to start, then we look at the castings and match the mods to the style and the style to the youths? Maybe? Just trying to think a little more in-depth here.

--JDM My Ride (talk) 19:36, July 12, 2017 (UTC) 二千十七年七月十二日星期三


 * Very minor modifications. Cars are lowered, sometime a spoiler is added. But that's about it. Engines are (chip) tuned, new exhaust is installed. The old school modification days are over. And if you have the money, you buy a modified car, modified by Novitec, Mansory, XXX Performance. That's about it. Stephan3321 (talk) 12:31, July 19, 2017 (UTC)

My Response
Now there is no reference to New! for this year, as it has appeared on every new model since the New Models line was discontinued in 2013. How is that better? And how is the series information better in the notes column? Add in all the code stuff and again, it makes everything look way less professional. The column for series is where that information belongs. Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 17:17, July 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hot Wheels were born in the USA. They are as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. This wiki was started, focused on the USA line. Look at 2011 and see how the primary is USA market. You have erased ALL US markings by renaming what has been a fixture here in the US, for 4, going on 5 years now. All new models/first editions in the mainline are marked with New for this current year. Having the year and New Model stuff in the notes column makes THAT column a nightmare. Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 18:32, July 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm also curious why you're talk page is categiorized as an american car? Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 18:33, July 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Everybody raises good points about this issue and I'm trying to figure out what would be right for the way things are done here on the Hot Wheels Wiki. When a vehicle was released as a "New Model" in the past, was it listed as that on the cards? My next question is are they now listed as "New for 2017" or whatever year they came out? Is there a page for 2007 New Models? Yes, I see that there is. Is there a page for "2006 New Models?" I see that there isn't. And I wonder why and what is the difference? I guess I never noticed the pages dedicated to just new models before. It seems either redundant to list them there as well on pages such as List of 2007 Hot Wheels, but then, I think this wiki works better with more information. Looking at various pages with these things in mind, I see that between 2006 and 2012, new castings were listed as "New Models" and that was the category they were released in. They seemed to have dropped that category and now every new casting is listed in whichever category they belong in and that there is no longer a category called "New Models." Since nobody made a fuss or tried to create pages for "New Models" before 2006, then I'm going to have to say that the information "New for 2017," etcetera does not really belong on each separate casting's page or on the main pages named "List of 2017 Hot Wheels," etcetera. But I think people might be interested in knowing which models are new for any particular year, so pages such as "2007 New Models" might be a good idea. Since "New Models" was a category name they were released in, after they stopped using that category, such pages probably should be renamed as "New For 2017," etcetera. The fact that new releases were not identified as such before 2006 leads me to believe that the whole "New Models" category was just used as a promotional tool by Mattel. Promotions start and then they end. It appears that "New Models" have been dropped by Mattel so maybe we should maintain Mattel's reality here on the Hot Wheels Wiki when we're creating pages and categories and not go by that method anymore. I do think people might find pages that list only the new castings for a particular year as being helpful, so, logically,we should also be able to create pages for new models for any years before 2006. It boils down to this: I don't think we should use "New For 2017" or whatever year on each model's page or on pages that list the entire line for a particular year because it doesn't conform to the standard that was set on the Hot Wheels Wiki when it was created. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 21:35, July 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * @Patty's Hot Wheels:
 * It seems that category was added by mistake by someone when he was editing my Talk page. I can't seem te remove that. I have to investigate it.


 * There is a reference to "New". It's located in the table on the List of xxxx Hot Wheels and on the model page. New models is not an official series. Those models are just unreleased models until then. Are we going to list "Back in mainline" or "First time in mainline" in the series column? I hope not. The McLaren F1 GTR: this year is the first time in the mainline. Are we going to list that in the series? No. Are we going to list that in the Notes column? Yes. All the 2017 Replica Entertainment HALO models were new (with the exception of the Warthog). Are we going to list them as "New for 2017" in the Series column? No. Do we list them as 2017 New Model in the Notes column? No. So, how can we see when they were first released? Look at the info box. Look at the first year it came out. The series information is not better in the Notes column. But "new models" isn't a series anymore. They used to be part of a mainline series. Now they are not. They are just never-issued-before models.


 * Stop saying "Hot Wheels is American", "Hot Wheels is focused on the American market", "Everything is focused on America". Cheese and mills are typical Dutch, cheese is sold in the USA. You have mills and tullips. Does that mean no one else can talk about them? I don't think so. This Wiki is accessable for everybody. Worldwide, not just American people. As soon as HW started to sell models in the overseas areas, it was no longer focussed on the USA. Hot Wheels are a worldwide product. You don't like that? Too bad. There is one link in the Notes section. There would be two in the Series column. If that would be a nightmare, I would love to switch our nightmares... We also don't list "Walmart exclusive" or "Kroger exclusive" or whatever exclusive it is in the Series section, do we? No. And why not? It's not a series. It just happens to be sold at just one store. Some goes for mainlines: they happen to be sold worldwide and there happen to be new models released each year.Stephan3321 (talk) 21:46, July 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * @Haarfager:
 * There are pages for current new models since they just sum up what is new. There are collectors who only collect each casting once: the first release. By going to the 2017 New Models page, they can easily see which models they are missing or which are released. After HW stopped naming them "New Models" officially, we continued to use the "term" New Model for newly released castings. We don't continue HW's series, we are combining all new released cating in one page. Sure, maybe there should be a Category for i.e. 2017 New Models. But a Category page is more difficult to access than a 2017 New Models page. And we have the "2017 First Released" category. Which included the new models. We didn't need paes for the pre-2006 New Models since they were combined in a mainline sub-series. We just give the collector information about which mainline castings are new for that year. And besides that, 2006 is 11 years ago, we can't continue an outdated standard which doesn't fulfill our wishes, needs and demands anymore. Stephan3321 (talk) 21:46, July 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * What I was saying about pages such as 2007 New Models is that "New Models" was the series name they were in - so a page was created just for that series. Since we no longer have a "New Models" series, we need to stop using that on pages such as 2017 New Models, as we no longer have any "New Models" series. Now we need to name pages such as that "2017 First Releases." And what are you trying to say when you said "And besides that, 2006 is 11 years ago, we can't continue an outdated standard which doesn't fulfill our wishes, needs and demands anymore?" So what if 2006 was 11 years ago? Hot Wheels came out in 1968 and that was 49 years ago. So what? What has the year got to do with anything? I think having a page that only lists the new castings for any particular year is just more information for people out there that might use that kind of information. What "outdated standard" are you talking about? It looks like the Hot Wheels Wiki was created in 2006 and that was 11 years ago as well. But we WILL continue using the standard it was created to be used as because if it doesn't fulfill any user's wishes or needs or demands, that user should create his own wiki and do it however he wants it be. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 22:55, July 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that mainline sub-series should not have their own page. After all, the sub-series can be found in the List of xxxx Hot Wheels. So my opinion is that that the pre-2007 New Model pages are a bit unnecessary. What I think we do need is a page listing all newly released castings (since they cannot be found easily on the recent List of xxxx Hot Wheels pages because they are scattered through the mainline). We could name those pages "2017 First Releases" (for example), but couldn't that create problems? Since basically every 2017 model is a first release in that color and with those tampos. When using the phrase "New Model", not referring to a series or anything, but just the phrase, it is immediately clear that the casting is new, and not the release. Thanks for fixing the "Catergory problem" btw! Stephan3321 (talk) 09:30, July 17, 2017 (UTC)

default sort and numbers
Why did you change the default sort code for some of cars whose name begins with the year of the model from a 4 digit year back to a 2 digit year? If you look at these screenshots of the licensed cars category, you can clearly see that all these cars are now out of order.



`14 Corvette Stingray Convertible

`15 Mercedes-AMG GT

`16 Honda Civic Type R

`17 Pagani Huayra Roadster

`67 Austin Mini Van

`70 Chevelle SS

`70 Toyota Celica

`85 Ford Bronco 4x4

Maybe you are unaware that the software reads from left to right.

That's why cars these now appear before the 1927 Ford Model T.

`14 Corvette Stingray Convertible

`15 Mercedes-AMG GT

`16 Honda Civic Type R

`17 Pagani Huayra Roadster

all come before any cars named 2000 or later.

And these now won't show till after any 2000 model, because 67, 70, and 85 all come after 20. I hope my explanation was clear enough. Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 13:18, July 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I too would like to hear the answer to this perplexing question. Kenny HaarFager (talk) 05:23, July 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought it would sort correctly anyway. I will correct it! And will fix it for future castings! Thanks for the heads up! Stephan3321 (talk) 09:25, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

A Navigation idea
I've asked Brad and now Kenny and am getting no help. Would you do me a favor. Edit the MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation page.

It controls these drop down menus.



Add the code below to the file, and the drop down menu will include all the categories listed. maybe even add more.









Just go into source mode and copy what's between the "code" tags.

MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation. Like a random casting from a few years, to many. I'd draw he line at like 10. Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 21:44, July 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've added some categories. HW by Collector Number limits the link to a small part of the HW line-up.HW by distributor isonly relevant for a certain part of the world. Model Grouping is a mish-mash of brands and models. What do you mean with "Like a random casting from a few years, to many. I'd draw he line at like 10."?? Stephan3321 (talk) 09:44, July 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome!! What I meant - under the drop down menu for random casting, brad changed it from 2016 to 2017, why not just have both, or more. So...




















 * I would also like to see one added under








 * Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 13:39, July 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * I added them. Good idea! Though I could only add 7 random pages, so I chose 2017-2012 and 1971 for some old models. Also added the "Add Photos". Thanks for suggesting good things ;)! Stephan3321 (talk) 14:33, July 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! doubly! I can't tell how long it took me to re-find the multiple upload page! I forgot - totally - where they hid it. Bummer we're limited to seven - maybe one year from each decade, 1968, 1976, 1984, 1995, 2007, 2016, 2017?Patty&#39;s Hot Wheels (talk) 20:30, July 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * PS - thanks for finishing off those double redirects.