HaarFager's Talk Page - Archive Number 2

Bump In The Road
I apologise to everyone for not responding for the last two weeks, but a bad storm went through my area two weeks ago and lightning struck my computer. It took my computer out and the internet equipment my provider supplied. I just bought a new computer on Monday and the internet people came today and put in new equipment. Since I'm posting this message, you can see I'm back online now. It'll be a few days before I get everthing back up like normal, so I'll be back on here by early next week. I also have a trip coming up this weekend and I have to download some stuff and directions for that. Between the trip and work, I'll be a little busy taking care of that stuff, but I should be back to normal by Monday or Tuesday, hopefully! Sorry if anyone tried to ask me anything or e-mail these last two weeks - I wasn't ignoring anybody. The storm was so bad, I just found out that it took computers out all along this end of town. HaarFager 20:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Sorry to hear of your loss, glad to hear you're getting back on track. I was beginning to wonder why you were "ignoring" my pm at HWC ;) Check the discussion side of the VW Drag Trucks page.ranugad 03:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Rich Text Editor?
Oh, please.... not another "improvement!"

Redirecting Series
Mike, please don't take this wrong, and I hope you don't think I'm always getting on your case, I'm not intending to - it's just that lately you've been doing most of the work on here. But what I wanted to ask you about involves your redirecting the various series put out each year. Such as these two kind of series: Wild Wave Series and 2003 Wild Wave Series. I had hoped that people would start creating pages for each series such as the one I did for the 2003 Wild Wave Series. That way, each series could sort of be spotlighted with it's own page. I may have this page incorrectly named, (maybe it should only be called the "Wild Wave Series" without the 2003 in front of it), but when each of these are redirected to the page for the year they were released, the specific pages detailing just the series itself will be lost or not be able to be created. I really wouldn't want to have the Wild Wave page redirected into nothingness, (after all the work I put into it), and it seems a shame to take away the potential for creating other pages for other series in this manner. It also seems like it might make using series names as categories a moot point. You'll lose the functionality of what having categories is all about and what the code behind it does. You might have noticed I like creating pages that group things together and I don't use a lot of redirects. I think instead of redirecting stuff in this manner, links to where it would or could have been redirected to could be used in the articles themselves and people will find their way to these other pages by clicking on the appropriate link. With redirects, searching for several different names will take you to only one place. That seems like we might risk losing potential pages - such as a special page for each series. I hope I'm being clear, because it's such a confusing matter to me sometimes in dealing with redirects. I don't want to make you mad, but I had intended on creating more series pages. If they're just going to be redirected somewhere else, there would be no point in creating them. I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make. Just tell me your thoughts on the matter and we'll see what can be done. Maybe I missed something and will have to rethink my position. Please just don't take this the wrong way and be mad at me. I feel I'm trying to do what's best for the Hot Wheels Wiki, as I'm sure you do, also. I figure there's usually a good solution if it is worked on long enough. HaarFager 07:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In response to your complaint about me redirecting pages, I need to admit that I am a bit confused.  First of all, I never did anything with your "Wild Wave Series" page.  Generally, I don't do anything with pages or casting post-2000.  I was just cleaning up the red/dead links by linking them to an existing location.  For the subject of redirecting the series cars, all I was doing was linking the series to a page that Bill already created.
 * Sorry I screwed things up again, I'll stop. I didn't realize you were creating separate series pages.  Feel free to undo everything I've messed up. Vista69 01:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Mike, I didn't say you had done anything with the Wild Wave Series page, I was only asking what would happen to it when you had eventually redirected all the series pages.  If a project like redirecting all the series pages is started, I figured it would be finished by, if not you, then somebody else - that's how things usually go on here.  Once redirected, the page I had created would then "vanish" and you wouldn't be able to see it anymore.
 * And the red/dead links you're referring to, there is a good way to take care of those. Click on the link and go where it takes you to create the page.  By doing this, the category feature becomes functional.  I try to take care of these pages when I find them, but I find it hard to differentiate between red and black letters, so I don't always notice them.
 * It's true, I have created a few series pages, but it was something I thought other people might join in with, as I don't have every series or the cars in all the series. It just seemed like everything else was getting it's own page, I thought it would be pretty neat to spotlight each series with it's own page.  Have you seen a couple of the series pages I've created?  Such as the 2003 Wild Wave Series page or the 2002 Star Spangled Series page?  What do you think of them?  And, what do you think of them in relation to the Hot Wheels Wiki?  Do you think they're too much and not really needed?  Sometimes I think I create too many of the wrong kinds of pages, because nobody else seems to create any like them.  By this, I mean like my Hot Wheels Vans page or the Hot Wheels Station Wagons page.  Perhaps they're not really needed, either.  Let me know what you think.  I mean, if I'm wrong about redirecting the series names, then I could be wrong about everything else.  The internet and the distance between everyone using it makes it hard to know what's on other people's minds.  So, please don't think I think you keep screwing up.  It might be me that keeps screwing up!  I only commented about it in my capacity as an Administrator.  What with the auto reply to new users feature on here and other things, it seems to me there's getting less and less need for me as an Administrator on here.  HaarFager 03:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Fclass continued
If that's the case, could you add the 2008 Web Trading Cars colors for Ford GT-40, the Hot Wheels Classics Series 3 colors for Tail Dragger, the Hot Wheels Classics Series 3 colors for '70 Plymouth Barracuda, and the 2008 Web Trading Cars and 2009 Modified Rides colors for At-A-Tude? Fclass 14:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to let you know I'll do this tonight. I was going to do the Ford GT-40 myself, as I have one of them I wanted to upload an image for.  HaarFager 19:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I started the '70 Mercury Cyclone article. Do you know if the car appeared in another series besides Larry's Garage? Also, check out the Maserati Quattroporte article I started. Fclass 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work on the Maserati Quattroporte page! I can't wait to see what it looks like when somebody post's a picture of it.  As far as the '70 Mercury Cyclone goes, it looks like it was only used one other time, as part of the 2005 Real Riders Series.  I remember back in the 1970's when the real car first came out, I had a center-spread two-page magazine ad for this car taped on my bedroom wall.  It was such a nice looking muscle car!  HaarFager 18:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just started the 1967 Pontiac GTO Convertible page. I have the Hot Wheels Classics Series 4 version of the toy car, but I'm not sure if it debuted there. Do you think you could add some extra information and redirect '67 Pontiac GTO Convertible to the page? Also, could you add the Hot Wheels Classics Series 4 colors and any other series colors for the 1964 Chevrolet Impala? Fclass 18:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you add other colors and series for Covelight, Ferrari 360 Modena, and Roll Cage? Fclass 18:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll do that sometime tomorrow, I have to work tonight. I don't know if you noticed yet, but I did the 1964 Chevy Impala page - I really like that car!  I used to have a real one.  HaarFager 19:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I spotted a problem. Somebody created two pages for the same model: Tooned Ferrari 360 Modena and Ferrari 360 Modena ('Tooned). Did you add the other series' and colors to the Ferrari 360 Modena page yet? Also, could you add the 2008 Web Trading Cars colors and other series colors to Meyers Manx? Fclass 15:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the Ferrari 360 Modena page, what is it's exact name? But, I'll take care of the duplicate page and the Meyer's Manx for you.  HaarFager 17:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you going to take care of the duplicate page and Meyers Manx? By the way, is there any way I can contact the creator of South Texas Diecast? Do they have an email? Fclass 16:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm going to do those two things, it's just that I've been out of town for three days. South Texas Diecast does have an e-mail address, I think, I'm just not sure what it is.  If you Google them, you'll probably be able to find it.  I mentioned that I couldn't find the regular Ferrai 360 Modena page - I think I wasn't using the right name or something.  That's why I asked you to tell me what it is.  I ask again, will you please tell me what the correct name is?  HaarFager 19:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I took care of the duplicate 'Tooned Ferrari page and worked on the Meyer's Manx page. Let me know if you have anything else that comes along!
 * Ferrari 360 Modena is the page. Also, add the other colors and series for Ferrai 512M and Airy 8 and Overbored 454. Fclass 14:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a trip I've been planning coming up this weekend, so I won't be able to do anything until next week. HaarFager 23:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Semi-Fast Image
This is sort of a weird thing to ask, but I have a Semi-Fast car with a different paint job, should I take a picture of it and upload it, it's banged up a little bit but it's still in great shape, would that be fine. Marauder 09 21:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * When you say, "different paint job," do you mean different than the original paint color as in a later release by Mattel, or different as in you have customized it and painted it a different color yourself? Because all true variations released by Mattel are welcomed here, and I personally upload a customized one now and then because it all seems like it's part of the "Hot Wheels Experience" to me.  I've even uploaded cars that weren't in the greatest shape, but was careful to note exactly why I was uploading them.  If you have a simple variation from Mattel, go ahead and upload it into the appropriate line in the column area for that particular casting; but if it's a customized car, you might want to create a gallery and place it there - at the bottom of the casting's page.  Be sure to note that it is one you've customized.  When you upload the image, you can tell what all you did to it there, in the space provided.  Some people like to know this additional information, like myself!  Hope this helps!  HaarFager 22:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The one I have is orange with white on the top and has the number 12 on the side, rather than 17 and it's plastic rather than metal, and it was orange and white on the top when it came out of the box.

Marauder 09 22:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like it's just an official variation. For help in identifying these, we sometimes go to this website and search for the vehicle by name:  South Texas Diecast  HaarFager 23:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I also found out I have other cars that I could upload because they've got a different paint job, non-customized, which include: Shredster, Twin Mill, Evil Twin, '32 Ford, and Hooligan, and Twang Thang. I have taken pictures of the '32 Ford, but they all too bright and I took like 10 some pictures of it and they were all too bright even though I turned the area like really dark, until the batteries in the camera died and every charged battery I have refused to work, would you tell me on how to get some good lighting so that the car doesn't appear pure light in one spot with low detail in the process. Is their a way I could take a picture of the cars with my laptop?

I could tell you how the cars look: Shredster: Dark Purple on the outer part of the car, lime green mid section, black under the lime green layer Hooligan: Purple with red flames Twang Thang: Matalized Blue with white guitar Evil Twin: White with red wide stripes with grey textures, on the red has funky lookin skulls and has Grave Rave on the car Twin Hill: Orange with two really big motors and has the number 9 on front '32 Ford: Black with some white, has a tire with two wings coming out of both sides, has #51 on it, has Talliville, CA on it Marauder 09 00:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Fclass
Could you add the Connect Cars Michigan '65 Pontiac GTO to the '65 Pontiac GTO article? Could you also add the 2008 Web Trading Cars colors to the '70 Chevelle SS article? Fclass 16:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! I did both things, although you could have added the information, too.  It's not just something only an Administrator can do.  HaarFager 18:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. I promise I won't bother you with this again. Fclass 19:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's no bother at all! I just wasn't sure you knew you could do these things too.  Actually, I think it's a nice feeling to be wanted and needed, so don't feel you have to stop.  I actually had one of the cars you were asking me to provide a description for, so I opened it and got to photograph it for the wiki.  And that's something I always enjoy doing!  So, thanks for bringing it to my attention!  HaarFager 19:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks, dude! Fclass 15:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Help
At the Aston Martin V8 Vantage page, someone misspelled the word Martin by putting "Marton." I tried to correct it, but I wasn't allowed to. Could you do something about this? Fclass 15:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You must have been effective in correcting this misspelling, because I don't see any instance of "Martin" being spelled incorrectly. Are you talking about this page: Aston Martin V8 Vantage?  In what exact area on the page was it misspelled?  In the name of the page, in the header or under the Versions?  Maybe the system had just signed you out and didn't allow you to make any edits?  It does that for me.
 * I don't see any misspellings and the page doesn't seem to be protected, which would prevent any further edits. The only person that has worked on this page, apparently, has been me.  So if there were any incorrect spellings, it would have had to be me that did it.  I did look through the revision history and didn't find that it had ever been misspelled.  This confuses me.  I don't know what to do about it.  Do you mean this page or another one?
 * Go to Category:Aston Martin Cars and you'll see what I'm talking about. Fclass 14:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I found what you were talking about and corrected it. Somebody had created the page, only they had misspelled it.  The only way to correct that misspelling is to move it to another page and correct the name that way, or delete it.  Since I had created the same page, only spelled it correctly and had more information on it, I moved information from the other one onto mine to make it more complete.  The old page has been taken care of and now Category:Aston Martin Cars shows the correct spelling from the correct page.  Thanks for letting me know about this!  HaarFager 15:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikia welcome
Hey HaarFager, the welcome was not falsely placed. It's a system bot that automatically welcomes the last user using the admin who last edited, which in this case is you. You can change that logic, however. See User:Wikia for more info. Cheers. --Charitwo (talk) 19:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Kenny! I just stopped by, and I'm a little confused... We talked about the welcome tool last week, and I thought you were okay with it, but I see that you've turned it off and you're doing welcomes by hand. What's up? -- Danny (talk ) 03:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really know what to say. I did say it seemed to be working pretty good.  I didn't really say I wanted to use it, though.  If there's a problem with me greeting users personally, I'll turn it back on and stop.  I don't want to make you mad by giving the appearance that I don't appreciate all the things you do for the Hot Wheels Wiki.  It's just that I feel people who wish to do these things shouldn't be penalized and not allowed to do it simply because of the users who don't greet new members promptly like they should.  If that makes sense?  I rather liked doing it and the responsibility that came with it.  But, I guess I can understand how all the new changes have to be geared toward new users, at the expense of the old users.  At least that's what it seems like to me.  I'm sorry I feel that way.  I didn't really hear any complaints from anybody on the Hot Wheels Wiki about not being able to use the site properly due to things not working correctly.  They always seemed to work perfectly for me.  Nobody even greeted me or gave me any tips whatsoever, and I figured out how to use it.  I thought it was great and worked fine!  I forgot where I was going with this - do you want me to turn it back on?  Hey, I'll just turn it back on and leave it alone.  Thanks, Danny!  HaarFager 06:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Kenny -- You're not making me mad, everything's cool. I'm just checking in with you. It's totally fine if you want to disable it and do the welcomes by hand. The advantage of doing it automatically is that you're more likely to catch people while they're still on the wiki. Doing it manually means that people don't get welcomed while you're sleeping or eating or doing other boring non-wiki things. The idea of the auto-welcomes is that it's still you, welcoming people the same way you would anyway -- but a lot faster, while the new contributor is still on the wiki.
 * The stuff for new editors is different... I totally understand that you like the way that things are and don't see why things have to change. Obviously, you and I learned how to use wikis, cause here we are! The problem is trying to go bigger than the people who currently use wikis. You and I have a certain kind of mind -- we're more comfortable with complexity, doing things by hand, and learning as we go. But there are lots of people who aren't as comfortable with those things -- and they know a lot about Hot Wheels.
 * Right now, this wiki has a fantastic group of contributors -- about a dozen people. But how great would it be if we could get 50 people working on the wiki, or a hundred? What if we could get every single Hot Wheels collector to contribute? That's the big goal -- to make wikis work so that anyone can feel comfortable making an edit. -- Danny (talk ) 22:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Adding Descriptions
Hi Kenny, I always wondered on why memebers, add too much repeated information in a listing. Example; (not picking on you Mike :) ), because I have been quilty of this as well. Road Rocket Do we really need to be telling members and non members who come to the site a Description when the information is in the Header and Columns. To me, I think that it can get carried away with providing to much of the same information.  The closet I ever gotten to write anything was on the yearbook staff in Highschool and College, and writing poetry.  To me telling the person several times to get the point across is reduntant. Your Thoughts......... Fantazim 00:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Header you have the designer, years, debut, and series.
 * Versions you have the scale and title.
 * I agree with what your saying, Bill, I just deleted the description on that page. The only thing that I've been doing is that when I'm editing a page for what-ever various reasons, I might do something else while I'm there.  Lately, when I notice extra text written prior to the obligatory  "The casting has come out in the following versions:" then I'll add "==Description==" above it to separate the two.  It usually works out nicely, but in the case of the Road Rocket page, you're right, it was redudant.  I just didn't read the text before I addedd "Desciption" above it.  Vista69 01:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with both of you. I don't think I've ever added such type of information like this in the area just below the header, because like both of you, I feel this is covered in the header itself and the table.  Personally, I like to add various interesting things about the real life model it's based on, or the fact that it has been released under another name.  Look at the 1971 Buick Riviera page and you can see what I like to add for this area.  Just something to liven up a page and give it a little more interest.  To simply put in this area that the first model was released in green, with subsequent models of brown and light blue, just doesn't really fit there.  It's like you said, it's redundant and a waste of space.  HaarFager 20:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Busy Guy you Are
Hey Kenny, I had to deleted all content on 2008 What-4-2 by a new user that just started a whole complete and repeated what was on What-4-2 so I had to re-direct the one to the other, also he changed the the title on the list of 2008. I fixed it, and he is uploading pictures from SouthTexas to here, and only knew of one person that was a loud to do so. Thanks Bill P.S. I'll try to find the clown picture again. Fantazim 04:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Image replacement
I'm getting discouraged about the "Upload a new version of this file" link. It doesn't seem to work 100%. What would be easier, change the name and upload a new version, and have you delete the image no longer used?? Or, use the link available and be patient, with the assumed fact that the image WILL BE eventually replaced. Vista69 02:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Mike, to me, it's a whole lot easier to just upload a new image and let the other go. The administrators will get rid of it eventually.  (Wink, wink!)  I go through the unused files every once in awhile and try to get rid of ones that are obviously not being used.  So, if I were you, I'd just upload a new one with a new name.  HaarFager 04:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, I'll just change the name from now on. Thanks for your help. Vista69 12:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Can you please why there is a Super Treasure Hunts column in List of year Hot Wheels pages? They're just like the regular Treasure Hunts. They should be deleted. Fclass 16:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hot Wheels Home Page Request
Hi Kenny
 * The Egg-Clusives for 2009 not everyone throughout the both coasts are getting these, it's going to take some time? I understand you don't want the home page to have too much information, but these are only being found in Wal-Mart on the West Coast. My Request is to at least have the list for 2 more weeks, so everyone knows what is in the line-up.  Fantazim 17:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, Bill. Special circumstances like that need special attention sometimes, so do whatever you feel is right.  After all, that's what the column is for, to alert people for what is out or what to look for.  HaarFager 16:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand it.... On the Recent changes page, it says somebody named "Fclass" left a remark on my talk page.  But the only person that was there to reply to was Fantazim (Bill).  What has happened here?  Am I mixed up or what?  HaarFager 16:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure, I wasn't on all day since yesterday evening. I see at the very bottom of your page says "Hello Can you please why there is a Super Treasure Hunts column in List of year Hot Wheels pages? They're just like the regular Treasure Hunts. They should be deleted. Fclass 16:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC) Please let him know that there is a difference, especially when someone is looking up by collector number, and card number.  Doesn't seem to leave side notes, and doesn't respond back when you answer his questions.  Fantazim 22:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

More Wagons
So far I can think of two wagons that you don't have listed yet. '57 Buick, It looks like Brad created it, and maybe Nomadder What. Later, Vista69 05:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mike. That '57 Buick is a nice looking casting!  HaarFager 06:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

New Kid (Clevelandkid) to Administrator
Thanks for the Hello to Hot Wheels Wiki. The pages I have edited so far do not seem to be harmed. The whole idea of this Wiki is great. I only have a few hundred loose mint cars from the 90s and early 2000s, and some Redlines, so I will be checking to see if any of their pictures could help. I enjoy taking pictures, especially in the Macro mode. My personal addictions are the VW Drag Bus and the 65 Mustang. I have a few loose Mustangs that are not on the site yet, and a lot of VW Drag Busses, too many according to my wife. Since the Busses from Liberty Promotions are Hot Wheels, they can be included. You may have seen the autographed Busses I put in the Gallery on the VW Drag Bus page. Question Time -- You said to leave a short note on the edits when I modify a page. Is that what the "Summary" in the red box is for? I realize the convenience of remarks in any type of coding. Clevelandkid 20:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Summary box at the bottom is where you leave the comments. I've heard that it's red, but I'm colorblind, so I can't confirm this.  That's what wives are good for - to tell you that you have too many Drag Buses!  At least she lets you get them, so she sounds all right.  Having only a limited amount of cars was my problem, too, and I've about run out of cars to photograph and upload.  If I get any new ones, I have those, but otherwise, I just try to help where I can.  If you really like taking pictures, take a look in the small Gallery at the bottom of my user page.  Once in awhile, I'll take a posed shot of a vehicle for the Header image.  That'll give you some more chances to take more pictures, which is always a good thing, as far as I'm concerned!  It's my philosophy that Header images can be special because they're showing that particular vehicle in all it's glory.  Then I try to make the image I'm going to use for the table and that version's description, to be plain so that it shows off details more specifically.  But, anything goes, so you're free to do what you think looks good.  Thanks for joining and I'm sure you're going to have a lot of fun!  What's not to enjoy?  They're Hot Wheels!  Feel free to ask me about anything and I'll come up with an answer.  HaarFager 21:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added a picture of the rear wheel used on the VW Drag Bus in the gallery of the Wheel Page (second row, center picture). I have never heard of a name for it, and I could not find it in the list of wheels. It is there for you to put it in the correct place and name it appropriately, (or tell me where it already is). There are both Chrome and Redline versions so we need two names. I will try to continue to suggest things that will keep you busy since you are running out of cars to photograph. Thanks Clevelandkid 02:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have created a couple new wheel type pages, one for the VW Drag Bus tires you mentioned. Check them out here 10DOT and here Wheel Types.  Call me Kenny, that's my name!  HaarFager 04:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)